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Gu3st
2009-06-24 02:49:13 pm
Jagger ftw
I think he change from lock-on-free-aim to lock-on.

Heres a tip, if you are in lock on free aim and what want to lock on easier (to the center), without changing it through the menu.
Hold the wii mote in your back so that the sensor bar can't pick up where its aiming (very helpful in s-sj in mp3), the cursor should be at dead center when you do this.

Also, can't you do HBJ in wii version?
StefanvanDijke
2009-06-24 05:30:56 pm
Quote from Oliver:
About the beetles skip, I had seen it done at the right side whereas you did it at the left side. I don't know which way is faster. Your way seems fine. EDIT : it is fortunate that you found your method because I can't do it on the right side. I'm starting to wonder if I haven't dreamt it.


Thats exactly what I thought, especially because it is a really difficult trick. I guess your dream helped me find this trick which is pretty amazing if you ask me. Its like a dream coming true, however I rather have other dreams come true but thats a different story.

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Can't you skip the parasite queen cutscene in this version ?


no, I can't

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Also, what did you do in the start menus in the early segments ? I can't read japanese.


Was switching shooting from B to A cos then I can shoot much faster. I wasn't sure if I did it correctly so I had to check again. My japanese isn't that good either.


Quote from Gu3st:
Heres a tip, if you are in lock on free aim and what want to lock on easier (to the center), without changing it through the menu.
Hold the wii mote in your back so that the sensor bar can't pick up where its aiming (very helpful in s-sj in mp3), the cursor should be at dead center when you do this.

Also, can't you do HBJ in wii version?


Yeah I'm already using that, mostly when coming from elevators. And no hbjs, you can only use one bomb in mid-air

Just finished segment 7:

Oliver
2009-06-24 06:22:14 pm
Quote from StefanvanDijke:
Its like a dream coming true, however I rather have other dreams come true but thats a different story.

You have to believe  Angel. They will.

Quote from StefanvanDijke:
And no hbjs, you can only use one bomb in mid-air

Any chance that the HOTE 3bj still works ?
Gu3st
2009-06-24 07:13:19 pm
Jagger ftw
IS doesn't work? :(

Also, have you tried aiming boost?
UchihaSasuke
2009-06-25 04:05:40 am
my umbrella goes directly to Bankai
seeing the segments is pumping me to make a mp2 test run.

good job so far.
Gu3st
2009-06-25 04:35:44 am
Jagger ftw
no more underwater dash:(
UchihaSasuke
2009-06-25 04:51:22 am
my umbrella goes directly to Bankai
Quote from Gu3st:
no more underwater dash:(


more like no more any dash.
Gu3st
2009-06-25 05:00:20 am
Jagger ftw
If only the mp2 multiplayer is online...
Have any one tried roll jump in wii version?
StefanvanDijke
2009-06-25 05:30:28 am
Any chance that the HOTE 3bj still works ?
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One bomb in mid-air works, thats it. Anything involving a doublebomb jump works, yeah!

Quote from Gu3st:
IS doesn't work? :(

Also, have you tried aiming boost?


IS does work, it is in th current route with an early powerbomb in magma pool

I'm not sure if there is boost aiming, do you know UchihaSasuke?
Gu3st
2009-06-25 05:48:03 am
Jagger ftw
why didn't you IS the artifact at ice chaple?
StefanvanDijke
2009-06-25 06:38:03 am
That one doesnt work. IS is activated once you use a morphball bomb, instead of when you boost what was the case in the gamecube version. This means the purple door in Ice Chaple cannot be bypassed because it turns puple once you use a bomb to get loose from the crates.
Gu3st
2009-06-25 06:44:43 am
Jagger ftw
does flickering wii mote work?
T3
2009-06-25 09:07:45 pm
Is it still possible to skip the hive mecha fight without space jump?
UchihaSasuke
UchihaSasuke
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UchihaSasuke: 2009-06-26 03:03:51 pm
2009-06-26 05:02:20 am
my umbrella goes directly to Bankai
Quote from StefanvanDijke:
Quote:
Any chance that the HOTE 3bj still works ?


One bomb in mid-air works, thats it. Anything involving a doublebomb jump works, yeah!

Quote from Gu3st:
IS doesn't work? :(

Also, have you tried aiming boost?


IS does work, it is in th current route with an early powerbomb in magma pool

I'm not sure if there is boost aiming, do you know UchihaSasuke?


i don't think there's boost aiming. i messed with all the options in the menu but nothing affected the boost ball. i got to swap beams/visors, eliminate the HUD, swap jump/shoot, disable token messages, etc. but no effect on the ball.

Quote from T3:
Is it still possible to skip the hive mecha fight without space jump?


no. the trigger is too big to bypass.
Oliver
2009-06-26 11:49:44 am
What is boost aiming ?
arkarian
2009-06-26 12:24:07 pm
red chamber dream
Quote from UchihaSasuke:
Quote from StefanvanDijke:

Any chance that the HOTE 3bj still works ?


One bomb in mid-air works, thats it. Anything involving a doublebomb jump works, yeah!


i believe you can do this bj with a dbj or 2bj, but it's a lot more difficult. do 2bjs still work the same way?
UchihaSasuke
2009-06-26 03:05:39 pm
my umbrella goes directly to Bankai
Quote from Oliver:
What is boost aiming ?


in mp3, you can aim the direction the boost ball goes when you boost with the pointer. it is optional and turned off by default so it's very likely a lot of mp3 players missed it. it is also used to enter a SW as far as i remember.

also, my last post's quotes got messed up. i fixed them.
Gu3st
2009-06-26 03:48:54 pm
Jagger ftw
The main room in pirate's homeworld.
Oliver
2009-06-26 04:12:52 pm
Quote from UchihaSasuke:
in mp3, you can aim the direction the boost ball goes when you boost with the pointer. it is optional and turned off by default so it's very likely a lot of mp3 players missed it. it is also used to enter a SW as far as i remember.


Ok, thanks, I haven't played mp3, that's why ...
T3
2009-06-27 05:28:16 pm
I just got Lifegiver without gravity suit. I realized the ghetto jump wasn't going to work after trying for 30min so i tried other things. What you have to do is go into morph ball, move up against the wall and get the flick that you would get from a boost ball track. Once you flick upwards, with a well time boost you can escape the water. Make sure the flick is big enough or you won't make it.
Gu3st
2009-06-27 05:36:43 pm
Jagger ftw
are you seriouse? Very Happy
Oliver
2009-06-27 07:03:45 pm
It would be great if you could do a video.
arkarian
2009-06-28 02:12:34 am
red chamber dream
if that's true, wonder if it works in the original version and if it's faster.
T3
2009-06-28 03:01:48 am
I have no way of recording it ATM but I guess someone else who owns this version could record it instead. The trick insn't that hard to pull off so they shouldn't have any problem. I haven't tested if it's possible in the original version but it probably is. It would probably be faster but the chance of the flick happening as soon as you touch the wall as well as being big enough is extremely unlikely.
StefanvanDijke
StefanvanDijke
Edit history:
StefanvanDijke: 2009-06-28 06:12:58 am
2009-06-28 06:02:22 am
Thank you T3 for discovering this trick! Good thinking of trying something else than a ghetto, I couldn't figure it out. Great discovery!  Very Happy



I updated the route. I removed gravity suit and added the powerbomb to the wave segment because this is how it should be done in a speedrun.

Segment 1

•  To parasite Queen

Segment 2

•  Frigate Escape

Segment 3

•  Hive Mecha for missles
•  Energy Tank in Transport Access North
•  Save at Ruined Nursery

Segment 4

•  Morphball
•  Missile Expansion in Watery Hall Access
•  Charge Beam
•  Save at Gathering Hall

Segment 5

•  Morphball Bombs
•  Solve Energy Core puzzle
•  Varia Suit
•  Save at Burning Trail

Segment 6

•  Artifact of Nature
•  Energy Tank in Transport Tunnel A
•  Boost Ball
•  Missile Expansion in Transport Tunnel B
•  Space Jump
•  Save at Landing Site

Segment 7

•  Wave Beam
•  Early Powerbomb in Magma Pool
•  Save at Gathering Hall

Segment 8

•  BSJ in Furnace
•  Solve Hall of the Elders without Spider Ball
•  Scan the symbol to open the force field
•  Drain Reflecting Pool
•  Ice Beam
•  Save at Reflecting Pool

Segment 9

•  DBJ over the bars in Great Tree Hall
•  Main Quarry to Waste Disposal
•  Use Early Powerbomb
•  Grapple Beam
•  Missile Expansion in Elite Control Access
•  Climb Elite Control
•  Main Power Bomb
•  Save at Central Dynamo

Segment 10

•  Climb Phazon Processing Center
•  Climb Geothermal Core Without Spider Ball
•  Plasma Beam
•  Save near Magmoor Workstation

Segment 11

•  Artifact of Elder
•  Jump in front of door to skip the fight with the Pirates
•  Fall down observatory and solve Puzzle
•  Super Missiles
•  Skip Pirates in Control Tower
•  Thermal Visor
•  Save at Frost Cave

Segment 12

•  Artifact of Spirit
•  Save near Magmoor Workstation

Segment 13

•  Spider Ball
•  Artifact of Sun
•  Artifact of Strength
•  Power Bomb Expansion
•  Artifact of Lifegiver
•  Artifact of Wild
•  Save at Gathering Hall

Segment 14

•  Artifact of World
•  Missile Expansion in Life Grove Tunnel
•  X-Ray Visor
•  Artifact of Chozo
•  Save at Main Quarry

Segment 15

•  Artifact of Warrior
•  Save at Central Dynamo

Segment 16

•  To Metroid Quarintine B

Segment 17

•  Phazon Suit
•  Artifact of Newborn
•  Energy Tank after Omega Pirate
•  Climb Phazon Processing Center
•  Save at landing Site

Segment 18

•  Artifact of Truth
•  Meta Ridley

Segment 19

•  Metroid Prime