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Fano7
2007-10-21 03:36:35 pm
Every Bit Counts
Or, you could reduce the amount of deathtroids in each room.

Edit: Is it possible to enter your ship with 0 health after using pause screen abuse?
Rothlenar
2007-10-21 04:47:15 pm
Done...

Items Collected: 22

Time Completion: 00:23

That was ridiculously short.
Cpadolf
2007-10-21 05:03:07 pm
Almost happy
Quote from Fano7:
Edit: Is it possible to enter your ship with 0 health after using pause screen abuse?


Hopefully for you it is.

Anyway, I am now done with 2 deathtroid rooms + 1 deathtroid. I am certain that the fights are improvable by some but they look quite good, the 3rd tourian room was reachable in a amazingly low 133 ingame seconds.
Fano7
2007-10-21 06:48:24 pm
Every Bit Counts
Man, I can't enter the ship with 0 health. Evil or Very Mad  Guess I'll need to to abuse the pause screen until the recharge station, or, if I can't do that, the pickup room. Gulp. Cpadolf, did you collect grapple, or did you do the shine spark to skip it?
Rothlenar
2007-10-21 10:25:03 pm
Wait Fano7, what is the pause screen abuse?
rekameohs
2007-10-21 10:51:20 pm
Anywhere, everywhere
Where exactly is the link? >_>
Rothlenar
2007-10-22 12:37:51 am
Fizzer updated the link in the first post.
Cpadolf
2007-10-22 04:00:58 am
Almost happy
Quote from Fano7:
Cpadolf, did you collect grapple, or did you do the shine spark to skip it?


To skip the refills? You'll see, it's really neat 8-)

Anyway, I'm in the single hardest room in the whole game, the fourth deathtroid room, after I'm done with that the rest of the run should be done really quick. I'll probably post the complete thing here today.
Fano7
2007-10-22 06:17:40 am
Every Bit Counts
Quote from Rothlenar:
Wait Fano7, what is the pause screen abuse?

Pause Screen Abuse is when you go back and forth between the pause screen and game play to stay alive at 0 health. It is used in my WIP. It is to skip the energy tank. I'm trying to get the lowest percent. If I could find a way to enter my ship with 0 health, I could skip bombs. The olny place I need bombs is to skip grapple, but if I had enough energy, I could do a shine spark. Wait a sec, i think I found something. There are refill bugs in the grapple room, right? If I can get energy from them, I think I can skip bombs. Probably is, I don't have a close save state. Good thing is, I have a movie. I can just do a re-record. grin new Thank you so much for posting that question Rothlenar. Oh, and can't wait to see your run Cpadolf. Mine should be done today or tomorrow.

Edit: Just thought of something. Is there any way to get up to the door without using bombs in the room after Mother Brain? If not, that means that the lowest percent is 20%. Could somebody try and find a way to get past that without bombs? Thanks in advance.
Cpadolf
2007-10-22 01:24:50 pm
Almost happy
Bombs can't be skipped, I'm very sure of that, there should be no way to get by the first escape room without them.

The TAS is now finished, cleartime 00:08:50 :P

It's kind of unoptimized, especially the latter parts I think, but I did not want to put to much effort in this run and instead just finish quickly. This clearly shows in the number of rerecords. There are some nice points in the run at least, I fond a really neat diagonal shinespark in the escape for example.

Overall I think it is improvable by ~10-20 seconds but that's just flat out guess.

Oh it should also be noted that motherbrain alone takes roughly a third of the movie lenght and half of the ingame time...
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Fano7
2007-10-22 03:22:09 pm
Every Bit Counts
Man, that sucks. Olny required in one room. So close to a 19%, yet it probably is impossile. Also, in your run, you didn't do a shine spark. You could've done one in the room before the tall shart. It's also the one where you did a diagonal shinespark. Instead of walljumping up, you could have done a shinespark. I can show an smv if that wasn't clear.
Cpadolf
2007-10-22 04:13:21 pm
Almost happy
I see, Well, it does not matter much since it is not very optimized anyway, plus I already acquired my goal of sub 10.
Fano7
2007-10-22 04:34:57 pm
Every Bit Counts
Yeah. That was a great run. Now, I must take on Tourian. The run should be done by tommrow. Oh, nice CWJ's. I wonder what time I will get. Probably 10:xx. Also, how much health does a zesbite have?
Cpadolf
2007-10-22 06:02:31 pm
Almost happy
They take 8 normal shots I think.
Fano7
2007-10-22 08:51:02 pm
Every Bit Counts
Thanks. And I'm done with the deathtroids.  The rooms are very unoptmized though. But, I'm almost done. I just need to shoot a MB for like 4 minutes and do the escape secuence. I wish there was a way to skip bombs, but if that does't happen, then 20% is the lowest.

Edit: Shooting MB takes forever.  I'm halfway done.

Edit 2: Here it is. I got 00:11:23. grin new It's a 20%.
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Fano7-Noobsmasher-Low%TAS.smv
rekameohs
2007-10-22 11:19:28 pm
Anywhere, everywhere
o_O How much damage does mb's laser do. I had 6 tanks but it didn't work.
Cpadolf
2007-10-23 03:57:24 am
Almost happy
It does 700 damage.
Saturn
2007-10-23 04:37:12 pm
Rocksolid and top quality TAS you did Cpadolf! Seeing how well you managed the deathtroids in such a quick production time really impresses me. The only slight mistake I can think of is that you didn't use a vertical shinespark at the beginning of this large escape room like Fano did in his low% TAS. I think it would be a bit faster than doing walljumps there. Nevertheless great job man!

And Fano, just to let you know, you lost more than a minute alone on the MB fight because you hold the shot button when you had normal beam instead of using autofire like Cpadolf did. The shot frequency is almost 2 times slower that way.

Regarding low%, a 19% is possible. You can actually skip the bombs. The only place they seem to be required is in the very first room of the escape. But you can actually just do a super optimized jump with immediate mid-air morph (or the so called "pseudo spring ball") to pass this maze without them. Here a demo:
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Saturn - SM-Noobsmasher - Pseudo Springball.smv
Fano7
2007-10-23 05:22:41 pm
Every Bit Counts
Thanks for finding the bomb skip. And thanks for telling me about the MB fight error. I'm off to do a 19% (I'll just do a re-record right before collecting the bombs).
Cpadolf
2007-10-24 05:56:56 am
Almost happy
Huh, didn't know about the pseudo springball, is it faster then laying bombs? If so why is it not used in TASes?

Anyway yeah I'm kinda happy with the run in whole, most strategies (except for the deathtroids) are probably optimal or close to, the microoptimization could have been much greater but as I said that was not the point. One thing though that could possible save much time while robbing much entertainment would be to use the pause abuse to survive the deathtroids then gathering them all un your head and splashdamage kill them. That would be lame though Rolling Eyes
Fano7
2007-10-24 06:11:02 am
Every Bit Counts
And pause screen abuse can drive you insane sometimes. I need to take a break every once in a while when doing it. My goal for this run is less than 10 min. 1 min on MB 15 sec on Deathtroid, the rest on little things. And I think the pseudo springball is faster. And I'm at Tourian.
Cpadolf
2007-10-24 01:04:41 pm
Almost happy
Oh crap, I thought the morphball path after motherbrain ended with a 2 block high jump, which I ofcourse though was (and is) impossible to do by other ways then bombjumping. A 3 block high jump though I knew was possible.
rekameohs
2007-10-24 05:04:56 pm
Anywhere, everywhere
Beat it in 0:21
LankyJon
2007-10-24 08:53:14 pm
How do you kill motherbrain?  The second laser is killing me.
Tonski
2007-10-25 08:15:24 am
To be honest I think this is a rather shitty hack.